Like what? I didn’t know they were this good, the definition even with crappy aac is super good and you can hear every single instrument clearly, I knew people said they were good but I’m surprised apple cared so much about sound quality
“Crappy ANC”.
Don’t buy into snake-oil.
Yeah they are pretty good, I just wish it had better separation with busy music….also a bit more midbass. They are fantastic for asmr and general content consumption, i connect them to my tv a lot.
That’s because they are literally in your ears so it’s a diff experience compared to overhead headphones
The xm4’s were just THAT BAD.
The pro 1s were pretty lackluster and I think a lot of people figured the 2 was continuing that trend, but the 2 is significantly better IMO
Lmao…yall have been trollin in here too much…glad youre happy tho man.
Not a lot of people do, but I love using Spatial Audio. Makes it sound like the music is surrounding you.
Apple hate mindset is unreal
I had a pair of sennies IE300 and now the first gern timeless. Does anyone know how the apple pros compare to these? I only heard their first wireless buds some years ago and I was like… Meehhh :)
They are nowhere as detailed as the Timeless. That said, it’s a very pleasant DD sound that you can hear for hours, the Timeless can get just a tad bit too bright in some tracks, imo. The AP Pro 2 have an improved sound, specially the bass when compared to Gen 1, both of these are on a different league compared to original AP.
I had the exact same feeling. Was debating upgrading to the xm5s but was really impressed when I tried the APP2s
and you can get the same sound for 70-80$ with wired iems
IEMs are the most uncomfortable pieces of audio equipment
I find them significantly more comfortable than any other type of headphones
But then you are using wired iems with no anc.
And you can get none of the convenience for $70-80 with wired IEMs
People consistently making this apples to orange comparison is the dumbest thing.
Do you also point out you can drive faster in a 2 door sports car than you can a giant SUB? Probably would be a dumb comparison to make wouldn’t it?
I have KZ As16 Pro and I still think Airpods Pro 2 beat them in some areas… I guess I should invest more than 100$ in Iems to beat the Pro 2s completly
I would rather not listen to music at all than work out with wired headphones again
True, I’ve had my fair share of wired iems but they are wired xd
Xm4 (the wf one) is quite good but airpods pro is one of the few greatest TWSes you can get along with Samsung Buds Pro.
My Galaxy buds pro I find fatiguing after not too long given the treble, thinking of moving to the AirPod pro 2 for this very reason
Yeah, I don’t use them for long periods, just on the commute to work in the mornings.
Tried all of the Samsung tws buds until I decided to try the OnePlus buds 2 pro and they have been incredible, I would like to try the Apple AirPods Pro as well though as an area where the op2 are lacking is in noise cancellation
Yes I’ve heard great things about those.
The WF XM4 sound fine but the battery issues are a complete deal breaker. Even the xm5 seems to be presenting with the same problem
I had APP ver. 1 and then got ver. 2. It is incredible how much better Apple made the ver. 2. It is a surprisingly good Bluetooth tws.
Yep.
If the Max 2 (if/when) that happens takes a similar leap things are gonna get really interesting
We can dream. Cause that’s what it’s gonna take to get me off Bathys. APP2s are class leading and my daily driver. The APM2 will need to beat Bathys.
The Celestee is my main headphone (APP2 as the convenient daily) so I’ve been very curious to try the Bathys, also love the aesthetics on the sand/brown model, hopefully I’ll get to try them one day.
My main headphone rig consists of the closed back Stellias driven by a Bryston BHA-1 with a BDA-2 & a Bluesound Node as DAC and Source. I love the setup! Coming from sennheiser misc HD Models up to the 800s. The Stellias were better in all but open wide soundstage Where it was still close. I also have a pair of Clear Mgs open back. If you love the Celestee, I can almost guarantee you’ll love the Bathys. Very recognizable family signature and satisfies my audiophile tastes like no other. Would love to give the H95s, 5909 and T&A Solitaire a good audition as the 3 most expensive BT options. They are way outside of my budget considerations so it’s just as well. As mentioned I’m really hoping Apple fixes the APM failures to match or exceed the Bathys. I love how Apple products work together and we are a Apple household.
They’re at least okay to decent in every department I could think of, instantly became the daily driver.
Yep, they sound good enough (compared to iems) and super convenient. I found spinfit superfine tips sound the best for them too, and fit great for me. I’ve tried stock, foam masters and azla max. Azla max for app2 are good too, but they are traditional tips so charging is a bit finicky with ML size.
The APP2’s are good and all, they’re my daily driver ahead of the likes of the B&O H95 simply because of ease of use and lack of connectivity issues.
I think the real issue though is that the XM line has simply been greatly overstated in terms of sound quality. They’re just not that good but they’ve been marketed and hyped over the past 5 years by influencers and YT reviews as in and around the top tier in BT earphones for the average person’s when they’re simply not.
Hmm most people I know who get XM line, it’s because their noise cancelling works super great on the train. I haven’t heard that many people hype the sound quality.
I did have one person who I have my old XM3s to tell me she thought they sounded better than her airpods, but “better” might have just meant “different”, I don’t know which model airpods she had (1st gen pros, I think), and everyone’s preferences are different, etc.
And anyway apple only supports most of their features on iphones. Even if I had an iphone, I would want to reward moves like that.
I think the salient point to remember is that both the XM line and the apple ones have batteries that will die in just a few short years.
Then what are the best in terms of BT headphones?
Galaxy buds pro sound basically identical to the arias and the pro 2 are even better
what are the best in terms of BT headphones?
The ones that are made with the power supply limits in mind, and aim for reproducing AAC or aptx type of streams. Trying to increase the sample rates, upping some number or other, getting higher peak effect – it’s like putting a turbo on a 1l Polo or something like that. Sure, it can get you more power in certain registers. But unless you change every part of the equation, including the usage scenario and the fuel - that car is not actually going to output that power in any useful part of the register for practically all of the time you’re using it. Where you’re also going to just have more noise and whine. Maybe it’s good noise, but it’s not getting you more power on the road.
So very svelte designs. Simple, 16ohm drivers, no extra tuning for “boost” or whatever, is going to get you the best overall results.
Bathys is a great pick
Atleast when it comes to sound quality too be fair i have only tried them in store but they felt incredible cheap and alot of conectivity issues
Was it on iOS or Android that you had connectivity issues?
Yeah it’s a great option if you have something like 600 bucks to spend. Would definitely go for them over the Airpods Max if you’re getting up in that range.
Headphones? In terms of sound quality?
Off the top of my head H95, Px8 (and Px7), Bathys and AirPods Max all sound much better than the Sonys imo.
What you like in sound is subjective though so it’s hard to pick although I’d put the H95 and Bathys clear at the top. That said, for BT sound quality is often not the only factor. Connectivity, battery, features, etc all play a part. I’d put any of these easily about the Sony but between them you should do research on which one would work for you beyond that.
I’ll probably get downvotes for saying this next bit but personally ease of use and connectivity is probably more important at this stage for me (as long as they’re good quality). So although the H95 sounds better than the APM and has better battery (seriously H95 is a battery monster), I still think APM is a better choice for most people IF they’re in the apple ecosystem.
Focal Bathys, B&W Px8, or the H95
Not sure what XM you have tried, but out of the dozen or so buds I have tried, XM5 are the best sounding, I would argue it might be as a whole package as my usage is mostly walking and gym, and in fairness there are not many buds I have hated, but if you put all the ones I have tried in front of me, APP2, AZ80, QC2, XM4 and XM5 being top 5, I would take the XM5 on my two most important features, sound and ANC. Devialet Gemini 2 might push the XM4 out of that list as probably the most “ok”. But overhyped definitely not when the XM5 exist.
the galaxy buds 2 pro sounds amazing too.